My thoughts on the war, the political state of the world, and the general bullshit we are all faced with these days.
I hope you will read all that I've written. I then hope you will research the facts on your own and come to your own educated opinion on the matter as opposed to 'absorbing' the views of friends, family, colleagues, as I'm afraid so many people tend to do. Too many people will give you a blank stare if you ask them to state the facts behind their opinion. "Bush Sucks". Why?
"Well, that's the word on the skreet, yo.. So Bush Sucks!"
This is quite a historic moment in time and, hopefully, we will not be faced with such a hard decision on a global level again in our lifetimes.
I understand my viewpoints may be the voice of a minority here on LJ.
Don't flame me, don't get all bent out of shape, we're all entitled to our opinions, and God knows there is a huge divide in opinions, not just in our country but around the world. Best of all, we live in a free society where we can voice these opinions (and dissent, as the case may be). So respect my point of view as I respect yours. With that, read on, and I invite you to share your viewpoints as well. If anything I've said makes sense, feel free to pass the info on. I don't have massive exposure to friends lists like many of you. :-)
I, like many Americans, have been riding the fence on this issue for a long time. I still sway back and forth on the topic, to be honest. But every time I weigh the fact, I seem to come back to the same view: Hussein IS a threat, and something will have to be done sooner or later. We're already in a position to do something NOW, so let's do it and be done with it.
Now, as I said, I've been on the fence. I say this because there are pros and cons to what is going on. Pros and cons puts it lightly. What happens over the next few weeks and months may change our country, WILL change the way other countries view us, and WILL have bearing on the effectiveness of the US on the world stage. Due to the gravity of the decisions we will make (or have already made) this is a defining moment for the US/UK and their reputation. I'll try to list point/counterpoint, which is really the issues I've weighed and why I really jump back and forth to pro/con on the actions we're taking.
First off - Disarmament.
it is entirely apparent Hussein does not want to disarm. He claims not to have
any weapons - until they are found, and then he gives some lame reason as to why they were not declared. For instance - Anthrax and VX. They claim to have dug a hole in the desert and dumped everything into it. No documentation on what or how much was destroyed, we'll just have to take his word for it. This is a lame excuse and no one buys it. They are NOT cooperating with the UN inspections, and I don't see how anyone can say they have been. Saddam has learned the UN game - Give them just enough information to shut them up and give the appearance of cooperation. It's worked for 12 years, why stop now?
Second - Imminent Threat.
Saddam obviously has a deep hatred for us (more specifically our Gov't or 'The West' in general). This is apparent in his daily rhetoric, the hatred for the west that is integrated into their school system, attempted assasination of a previous president, etc etc. Do I believe he has nukes sitting on an ICBM pointed at us? No. He doesn't have weapons that could reach the US by military weaponry alone. Do I believe he could easily hand off some poison gas or explosives to Terrorists? Absolutely. He may not share the same views as Al Qaeda, but damned if they both wouldn't love to see the West fall. We didn't share the same views as the Mujahadeen when they were fighting
the USSR but that didn't stop us from helping them against a common 'enemy'. (Nor did it stop them from accepting our weapons.) In all honesty I don't think Iraq has nuclear material, or are advanced enough to provide that to someone who can use it against us. But then again, what do 'we' really know what they do/do not have? I'm more worried about the gases or explosives that could easily be smuggled in to our (ANY) country.
Third - Motivation. Why are we doing all of this? Due to the threat. Many like to throw in the fact that we're liberating Iraq. Well.. I think that's a little bit of bullshit mixed with fact.
Liberating the Iraqi people is a by-product of what will happen. That's not the real reason we're doing this, but it's certainly something good that will come out of it. I have a real problem with us making the first move, too.. We've never initiated military action first. But shouldn't we?
Should we wait until there are massive deaths in a NYC subway because someone used nerve gas? In that same vein, if we knew Al Qaeda had the will, the means and the plan to hit us on 9/11, shouldn't we have done something about it then? If we did, we'd be faced with the same situation we currently find ourselves in: How can you attack them when they haven't done anything to you (yet)?
I am also a bit tired of the conspiracy theorists or those who believe there's something much more sinister in what's going on. I shall address these here:
1) This is about the oil. Please. At first I thought the same thing.. but questions arose and I find myself doubting that excuse. If you want oil, what's the cheapest way to get it? You BUY it. Do you think we've shipped half our military to Iraq's border for this? Are we risking our necks over oil? Do you think we're spending over $100 billion to do this so we can get Oil?
I'm no economist, but that doesn't sound like the most cost-effective way to get your hands on oil. And it's not like we're going to stick a flag on the oil fields and claim them as US property. It's already been made quite clear that the oil fields are the property of Iraq. Profits from the oil will help rebuild Iraq. And besides - we ALREADY GET Iraqi oil. In fact we're one of the largest purchasers of Iraqi oil. It's called the "OIL FOR FOOD" program, and has failed miserably because Hussein would prefer to build large palaces, military programs, and feed his military as opposed to
giving it to his people who need it the most. And finally - if it REALLY was about the oil - we have our own massive oil fields in Alaska. If it was really about the oil, wouldn't it be easier to do arm-twisting here at home to open up those fields, rather than going to war over someone else's oil fields with no promise of positive results?
2) This is about big business, Bush and Cheney Of all the conspiracy issues, this I could buy into most of all. I tend not to believe it though. A bit of background - Bush is an oil man - his family has been in the oil business since it was a business. Cheney is a weapons man. He's been CEO of Halliburton, a major weapons manufacturer. Some claim he is behind this push for war. The more bombs we drop the more money his company (and others) will make. Well - I suppose that could be true.
But I don't think Cheney is a moron. If he really wanted to make money for his old company, would he put the administration's neck on the line? Would he put America's reputation on the line? It seems to me if that was his intent, a safer alternative would be to simply increase military spending, sell more weaponry to our allies, etc. Businessmen don't like taking major risks. Why would he risk his reputation, our reputation, our economy, American leadership and the state of global affairs in order
to pad the already heavy pockets of his old company? By the way, several investigation into his relationship with Halliburton have proven inconsequential and totally legit, much to the chagrin of several Democrats.
3) Bush has a grudge to settle Well, who can blame him? They did try and off his daddy. Again, is that something worth risking the lives of our soldiers for that reason alone? It may count towards Bush's determination in getting rid of Saddam, but not the underlying REASON.
4) The US is waging war against ISLAM Everyone reading this (I hope) knows that to be, once again, Bullshit. However, go to a muslim country and ask them that. Perhaps you can weigh this against the previous three items and appreciate the fact that facts can be loosely tied together to come to the wrong conclusion.
I'm not a die hard Bush fan. But from what I've learned about him, I back him up on this. As president, he's privy to alot of information we will never hear about. You have to put a little faith in someone who's in charge of YOUR safety. I don't buy into the bullshit. He's not perfect, in fact there are some rather large blemishes in his past. He's not a good at speeches either, but a good speaker does not necessarily make a good leader. Bill Clinton, Master of All Bullshitters, is an excellent public speaker but that didn't make him a great leader, now, did it?
Granted, Bush could have handled a few things differently, to be sure. He also wasn't counting on having to deal with Terrorist attacks and other threats of 'ill-intent' during his presidency, he's doing a good job considering.
THE UN
A few months ago, I was with the opinion of most - that we need to do this through the UN. Who are we to take this upon ourselves? I for one am tired of America being the global police force, making sure everyone behaves. I thought that's what the UN was for. A premier source of law, order, and a body that had the authority AND INTEREST in protecting the people of the world. Surely, in good time, the world body (or at least the security council) would see that Saddam is making little attempt to disarm, does not WANT to disarm. Surely the world body would not fall for the same ploys
he's been using over the past 12 years.
As you may know, I work from home, which means I can (and DO) keep the news on quite a bit. I have watched more UN proceedings than many of you will probably see in your lifetime. I have seen damning evidence get brushed aside, I have seen blatant disregard for what is right and wrong, and I have seen countries display only their self-interest in the debates. I no longer have respect for the UN - it is merely a public forum for countries to spout bullshit and pass empty laws that they won't stand up to. I now doubt the effectiveness of the UN when it comes to certain matters.
Yes, the UN is a great body to organize human aid for starving countries, to streamline the research for AIDS and other epidemics.. but when it comes to making hard-line decisions, they can't get their shit together. If the UN was all about the right thing to do, countries on the security council would not be asking "WHat will you give us for your vote?" What is right, people? Why do we need to give fucking Angola billions of dollars for their vote? Why did Russia want authorization
to start military action in the "Stans" (and billions more $ in aid) in trade for a vote in favor of us? Should it not be a matter of the best interest for the world community? Again, it is only self-interest that motivates the members of the UN, NOT what should be done. Further on the UN: The US is currently the ONLY world power. Would it not be in certain country's interest for the US to be weakened by going it alone? Like, oh, say, China and Russia? Wouldn't it be nice for France to see the US
weakened in a diplomatic sense? That was always their claim to fame. What about Mexico? They're on the security council, and didn't want to vote with us either. Strange how things were going well with Mexico until 9/11, and then Bush reneged on a huge immigration policy with Mexico. This really ruffled Vicente Fox's feathers. He's been pissed about that since it happened. Now we see that, because we didn't scratch his back, he won't scratch ours. And why is it that Libya is the head of the UN Council for Human Rights? Libya, a country that blew up a Pan Am flight over Scotland? Why is it that the US was thrown OFF the Human Rights committee? Why is it that SYRIA is on the Security Council, when they host and are friendly towards terrorist groups? The UN looks more and more dysfunctional as time goes on.
I think the UN CAN do good in certain respects, but the future of the UN as a world authority looks particularly grim. Look at past military action... When Clinton decided to send troops to the Balkans, we did that alone. The UN, more specifically France and Russia, threatened to veto any resolution allowing troops to intervene there. Should we have done nothing because the UN wouldn't allow it or
would not act upon it? Where was the UN when millions were dying or starving in West Africa, due to a tyrant there? (But then again, where was the US? And then again, isn't that what the UN was for?)
Funny, too, how this issue MUST be resolved in the UN - but when it comes to the topic of North Korea and their recent proliferation, the world body thinks the US should address that issue by themselves, WITHOUT UN intervention. Rumors leaked that Bush may pull us out of the UN after this war. That may be a good idea. It will certainly save us money, as we alone pay 1/3 of the total UN bill.
FRANCE France. Fucking France. I hope they're happy with the hole they've dug themselves. It's so deep and full of shit it will be a long time before they can climb out of it. You know, alot of people keep saying this about America wanting oil and contracts with Iraq. Well guess what?
France (and Russia) are DEEPLY invested in the current regime in Iraq. France has many oil contracts, many business deals with Iraq. Russia also has a hand in their oil and military equipment. If something happens to Iraq as it is now, that's financial loss and puts an economic hurt on them. Who's acting in their own interest here?
Let it also be said that France sold Iraq the knowledge to use nuclear power which was immediately transferred to making nuclear weaponry. Israel nipped that in the bud early on, thank God. But we can always thank the French for handing out nuclear know-how like it was a 2 day old baguette. France also has other motives in all of this. Take the European Union. They want to be the center of attention, so to speak. They want to be the ones 'in charge' that the other european nations look up to. This was Chirac's chance to stand up and be seen as 'the european leader'.. they sure
as hell tried to strong-arm other countries into seeing things 'their way', threatening to block non-EU countries from joining the EU. France has stood in the wy many times... Denying overflight rights when we went to bomb Khaddafi in Libya, threatening vetoes on many articles that never made it to a vote.
APPEASEMENT. A hot topic in the past few days, but a valid point nonetheless. This ties in with France, the UN, and Europe in general. Anyone remember League of Nations? Anyone know why it doesn't exist anymore?
The league of nations was created after World War I for very much the same reason the UN was created. Keep the world safe and at peace and make sure we all get along. Well, that was all fine and dandy until this fine chap in Germany named Hitler showed up. He invades a country, all the surrounding countries hear him say he won't do it again, and take him on his word. He keeps doing this, no one wants to confront
him on it, and besides, he seems like a nice guy, isn't doing this in a mean-spirited fashion, so we'll just leave him alone. The next thing you know we have a madman bent on world domination and he's so powerful it takes the rest of the world to take him down. So what we had there was a series of incidents that should have been acted upon. We wanted peace, and war was not the answer, so we'll look away in
hopes that it doesn't happen again. All of Europe looked away, hoping, perhaps believing it would eventually stop and peace would come. Not that the US wasn't to blame, we didn't involve ourselves at all until we were hit directly. So here we are now, in nearly the same situation, only it isn't Hitler, it's Saddam (whose uncle was tightly allied with the Nazi party, btw), and he's not bent on invading other countries (he already tried that), he's bent on acquiring as much firepower as possible
until he's too big to do anything about it. Once again, everyone is saying give it more time, he says he'll cooperate, so let's just wait and give peace a chance? If Iraq wanted to give up their weapons, we'd almost be done destroying those weapons already.
You may ask yourself.. "Why Iraq?" Well - he's first on the list. It's an unresolved issue 12 years old. It was the UN who didn't think he should have been ousted after Kuwait - simply push him back into his own country, reinstate the gov't of Kuwait, and he'll behave. We know what he's trying to do, and it would be
prudent to stop him before he has the means to wreak havoc. It would also be wise to put an end to his 'example' of how to side-step world authority. If we left him alone, couldn't these other problem countries see that as an example of how to get away with proliferation?
Yes, there are other countries that could be dealt with, but none are as anxious to get weapons and put them to use. Iraq is first, but I'm positive there will be
other issues after this is over. North Korea is next, I'm sure. They already have nukes, and Kim Jong Il is a crazy little fucker, so we have many more threats of nuclear hell awaiting us when we're through in the middle east.
Well.. I'm spent. Covered too much. Longest fucking post ever. Thanks for reading.. If you've made it this far, I'd like to hear some of your opinions. At the very least I hope I made for an interesting read to keep you from working. ;-)
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March 18 2003, 11:54:24 UTC 9 years ago
And you're not the only one watching all these UN proceedings. Granny watches them, which means I do too. And sometimes I just want to bang my head against a wall because of how they "brush things aside". Argh. Aggravation.
March 18 2003, 12:14:18 UTC 9 years ago
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You're right - I'll make this a public post...Didn't think about that... And glad to hear I'm not alone in my thinking. :-)9 years ago
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March 18 2003, 21:00:31 UTC 9 years ago
wow
you've just imparted a whole mess o' stuff upon me that I never knew before. Good points have been made.March 18 2003, 21:19:13 UTC 9 years ago
Re: wow
I agree. What I am wondering now, is could this be WWIII? Not necessarily the Nuclear HOlocaust they say it will be, but let's say we attack Iraq and Saddam is the new Hitler...What happens if N Korea attacks Japan or America for that matter. It is panning out to be very similar.
Thank you for posting all that, because this did make me think about a lot of things.
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March 18 2003, 21:37:11 UTC 9 years ago
"Well, that's the word on the skreet, yo.. So Bush Sucks!"
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=1
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March 18 2003, 22:28:13 UTC 9 years ago
Thank you.
You have said what I've been trying to articulate for months. I only wish I had your gift of straight-talk.I'm a moderate most of the time, but these days I'm finding myself siding more and more with the conservative viewpoint(s) because they are the only ones that make sense. I also spend a lot of my time watching the news, reading articles on-line (from all sources from Fox News to the Observer, to the NY Times, to the BBC World News), and form my own opinions based on all of the facts I can get my hands on.
Thank you again. I feel the need to direct the folks on my friends list to your post. Hopefully it will open some eyes. (Especially the ones who hate Bush, and because of that hate the idea of the war vs Iraq.)
Cheers!
March 19 2003, 08:18:23 UTC 9 years ago
I don't know you, but....
I should like to. You are in many way much more informed than most people and I appreciate the time you have taken to point out the facts that you have. Just one thing to add on the oil thing:US oil contracts with Iraq = 1
French oil contracts with Iraq = 25+
March 19 2003, 10:46:02 UTC 9 years ago
Re: I don't know you, but....
Well that's an interesting fact. I knew they had deals but never heard/saw actual #'s. Thanks for the kind words. ;-)9 years ago
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March 19 2003, 08:27:01 UTC 9 years ago
My "uneducated" thoughts on the matter are that i don't want to go to war either however, as you said this issue has gone on far too long and MUST be resolved. If war is the only way - then so be it!
"As president, he's privy to alot of information we will never hear about."
My thoughts on this: it is IMPOSSIBLE for the government to tell the public ALL of the facts on this w/o putting National Security at risk. I am sure there is a multitude of information that we are not privy to! We have to put faith in our government & military and stand behind them 100%!
March 19 2003, 10:52:08 UTC 9 years ago
..And there's alot of information out there.. almost too much to digest. I've just been seeing alot of people voice discontent over where this is going, and a common thread between what these people say indicate they haven't considered everything that's going on, or are just overlaying their general dislike for the president on this issue.
I'm no huge Bush fan.. In fact there are some pretty rotten stories out there, more specifically dealing with my state, governed by GW's little brother. :-) But when it comes down to the issue of Iraq (and other proliferating countries) I honestly think he's doing what he thinks is best.. And apparently he's a pretty religious guy who sees this as Good vs Evil.
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March 19 2003, 09:11:28 UTC 9 years ago
My thoughts
You know i've also been a fence sitter. Just so wishy washy, you've brought up a lot of good points, and although i don't agree with all of them, i'm more than glad to see someone did their homework as well. I like you am a UN junky (or so it seems you are) as well as a news watchdog, i just can't get enough info. You however have a gift for writing that still escapes me.Great post.
March 19 2003, 09:12:51 UTC 9 years ago
I don't agree with everything you said, but most of it... and most of my disagreements are more philosophical and are completely useless and an actual debate about the current situation.
Bravo.
March 19 2003, 09:26:18 UTC 9 years ago
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March 19 2003, 12:18:04 UTC 9 years ago
BTW, I wasn't saying we SHOULD go into ANWAR - I was using that as a point to argue the reasoning for going into Iraq for their oil. I was stating that, if it was truly about oil, Bush would have an easier time bullying and pressing congress and any other body in his way to start drilling in Alaska, as opposed to activating the military, spending all this money and risking a 'gamble' on the world stage.
And frankly, I'm totally with you on the issue of conservation or *gasp* ALTERNATIVE FUEL SOURCES. There's got to be a way to get a clean source of power.. We/the civilized world have enough intelligent people to devise a better method of creating power. No one wants to put the money into research for something like that. The oil companies would seek to squash that, nevermind Bush. Bush would never advocate that. Again, a topic I haven't involved myself in too much, but definitely something I've thought about from time to time.
Thanks again - glad to see you 'know your stuff'. :-)
March 19 2003, 10:00:20 UTC 9 years ago
But, as you pointed out, people back then who didn't understand the full depth of Hitler's evil probably sounded much like the anti-war crowd now. In my mind, we've got enough evidence of Hussein's evil now that we shouldn't have to wait for him to prove he is another Hitler.
Plus, striclty from a pragmatic point of view, it's far better to take care of Hussein now then it would be to wait for him to become as big a problem as North Korea is.
March 19 2003, 10:13:47 UTC 9 years ago
March 19 2003, 10:50:16 UTC 9 years ago
Other points:
There are, in fact, many nations completely behind us on this, which few are willing to point out. The problem is that these are not nations large enough to send huge waves of troops, so they send a hundred or two hundred, but this is their doing the best they can to help.
Secondly, the die-hard bleeding heart liberals in Washington aren't the ones raising the stink over this. They have been largely either silent or have actually sided with the war effort, which means they must see something quite emminent and dangerous. The members of Congress and the Senate who have been arguing against this have been a small contingency of Democrats who placed themselves opposed to the Afghanistan action, and couldn't just come on board in Iraq.
Thirdly, to all the personal criticism of Bush, though he isn't my favorite president, he is certainly no idiot. I find it sad that we want a public speaker like Clinton for a president, with no reall attention being paid to his networking and decision-making skills. Sure, Bush is no speaker, but neither are many people I know.
I think that in this whole debate the only people who have anything to stand on when opposing the war are those who simply think that violence is never necessary. They are the only ones that, from where they are coming from, can really make any logically valid arguments.
Sadly, they haven't seemed to notice that peace only works when both sides see peace as the most desirable thing, and Saddam certainly doesn't see peace as too much fun.
To those who just want peace, I have to ask if they are so closed-minded to think that everyone in the world is willing to give it to us, if we promise to leave them all alone.
It is sad that there is such hatred in this world, especially such hatred of a nation that has spent more time and money than any other trying to find the RIGHT thing to do, morally, as opposed to just the best thing for the nation.
Once again, thank you for posting this.
March 19 2003, 10:52:48 UTC 9 years ago
I have to ask though, on another major side in this argument - what about Israel? Why do we insist upon holding their reigns in cheque? I always thought it would be somewhat poetic to just let go of their "leash" and let them do some damage, since they have the most to win/lose/fear in events like this. The Moussad (sp) could likely do just as good a job in rooting out and eradicating Hussain as half a million of our soldiers.
March 19 2003, 11:13:41 UTC 9 years ago
March 19 2003, 11:03:09 UTC 9 years ago
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March 19 2003, 11:51:57 UTC 9 years ago
AMEN
i couldn't have said it better myself......March 19 2003, 16:17:57 UTC 9 years ago
Re: AMEN
Hey!No riding the pony if you're wearing a mask!!
March 19 2003, 13:07:32 UTC 9 years ago
i think the biggest problem with this war is the propaganda machine that adds fuel to the fire.
about the notion war for oil (which surprise surprise has died down fast) in the gulf war america had the oppertunity to claim the feilds. if this was a war on oil then it would have been accomplished in 1991,1992 during or after the gulf war. not more than ten years later. i think people are very quick to jump on the anarchist, npr bandwagon and throw around political statements with no tangible evidence to support their statements.
i also do not see liberation of the iraqi people as a valid reason to fight war, and i think the president would be better off dropping that as a reason to go to war. iraqi people have rarely indicated that they hated their government, in fact the latest is people gathered in baghdad with automatic rifles cheering their leader on. so i agree with you... and if i could suggest to our government to quit using that as a reason for war.
i recently stated in my lj- suddam obviously has technology and probably already has weapons that he is hiding. he has had many years to fully cooperate with the UN and disarm. and if hans blix had found weapons i dont think suddam would have been so easily motivated to disarm. war was bound to happen- it was only a matter of time. and i expect france, russia and these other countries to jump on the america was right bandwagon as soon as we see (unfortunately) such weapons of mass destruction and terror used in the upcoming war.
i do not think america should seperate from the UN. i think after this war, our opinion will probably be better regarded and less protested. withdrawing from the UN would only send the message we dont need to be unified to be a world power and cause problems with current allies.
your entry very well said. sorry my reply is super long haha.
you seem well researched- so heres something that may interest you. did you know the bible predicted the fall of league of nations- WW1 and also predict US withdrawing from UN? check it out, if that sort of stuff intrigues you.
March 19 2003, 15:26:52 UTC 9 years ago
I didn't think about the parallel to the Appeasement of the 1930's, but it comes closer than I think anyone would like to admit. I'm not sure that the UN will ever be able to take true charge of a military situation unless they become a true "world government". Of course, that won't happen anytime soon if we keep sniping at each other. :-/
March 19 2003, 17:59:10 UTC 9 years ago
March 19 2003, 18:50:31 UTC 9 years ago
There is one aspect of what you discussed that I wanted to respond to...
In the area where you discussed why you don't think this is about oil or big business, I'd like to point out something that I think is fairly significant.
Yes, launching a war is not the most economical way of obtaining oil rights. Yes, the money earned by the sale of oil will go directly to the Iraqi people. But... think about this:
Tax dollar pay for the war.
You and I, we pay for the taxes.
Joe and Joan Millionaire, they just got a big tax break.
Joe and Joan Millionaire's companies stand to benefit from less expensive oil once the U.S. is "in control" of how that oil is distributed and at what price it is sold. After all, we won't be expecting the U.S. to abide by O.P.E.C. production limits and price fixing.
Joe and Joan Millionaire, upon realizing lower energy prices and higher corporate profits (or in the case of the military and oil industries, increased demand for their products or lower raw materials costs), will contribute heavily to the re-election campaign of George W. Bush and whomever is viewed to be the heir apparent to the "Bush School of Thought" after his terms are up.
So, Bush spends middle class tax dollars on a war that ends up benefitting a lot of corporate citizens who in turn relocate their headquarters to the Bahamas and don't pay any taxes... but they donate to his re-election campaign so that he can brainwash the average American with TV ads attacking John McCain's credibility...
Yeah, I'm generalizing, but a lot of this stuff I suspect is at least partly true.
Also re: Alaskan oil wells - Bush just removed some of the environmental protections that would stop drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refugee (or whatever it's called.) He also backed off restrictions on forestry in the national parks.
and last re: Halliburton - perhaps the investigations into Halliburton haven't turned up any mis-doings by Cheney. But how do you explain the refusal to turn over notes and documents related to Cheney's meeting with top company representatives of several firms in the energy industry back in the early days of the Bush-Cheney presidency? It's one thing to meet with representatives of an industry in a public forum to get their input. It's another thing to have closed door discussions with them and then hide the conversations.
Anyway, I don't mean this as a personal attack at all. You provided some interesting perspectives on many issues. I just thought I'd share some perspectives of my own.
Happy pondering!
-asa
March 20 2003, 05:20:54 UTC 9 years ago
Thank you for this post. I'm adding you to my friend's list. I don't feel stupid supporting Bush now. :)
March 20 2003, 08:54:17 UTC 9 years ago
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